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Welcome to the Machine: AI’s Grip on the Future?
What happens when machines become smarter than Einstein? Could artificial intelligence herald a utopian future or trigger our extinction? These aren't just sci-fi movie premises anymore; they're questions facing us today as AI development accelerates at breathtaking speed.
In this thought-provoking conversation, application developer Eddie and AI prompt specialist ProKid join host Brooke to demystify the AI revolution happening right before our eyes. From massive data centers "the size of Manhattan" to the emergence of "vibe coding" that lets non-programmers create software through conversation, we explore how artificial intelligence is already transforming our world in profound ways.
The team breaks down the concept of artificial general intelligence (AGI), what Eddie provocatively calls "the Omni-Messiah", and examines both its utopian potential to solve humanity's greatest challenges and its existential risks. "If the impact is what some people think it is," Eddie explains, "this could be a bigger discovery for humanity than cavemen finding fire."
Beyond the philosophical implications, this episode offers practical guidance for anyone looking to incorporate AI into their daily life. Whether you're just getting started with ChatGPT or looking to level up your prompting skills, you'll walk away with actionable strategies to harness this powerful technology. As ProKid advises, "Don't feel scared enough to where you're rejecting it. You need to get on the boat because it is setting sail and there's no going back."
Ready to step into the future? Listen now and discover how to navigate a world increasingly shaped by artificial minds while maintaining your essential humanity.
Hello and welcome back to Autofocus. I'm your host, my name is Brooke, I am here with Eddie, eddie Canyon, and I'm also here with ProKid, who's also one of our podcast team members, and so I just wanted to, you know, welcome you guys to the podcast. Like I always like to start this with, we have our sister podcast called Story Scaling that Bang puts on. That is more about how do you you know, when you're a content creator, how do you tell your story, what's your inspiration, and it's really all about, you know, just about, like story storytelling, how to really capture the audience and like engage them into your message. This one is all about kind of tech. So we want to talk about just kind of like what is the tech behind the scenes that makes all of these podcasts and videos and content creations platforms, what makes them tick? And so today we want to talk about AI. So I know and I know, eddie, I know you're excited about this why don't you tell us a little bit? What do you do, like what is your day job?
Speaker 2:Yeah, Day job. I'm a vibe coder. Nighttime. I'm a rapper, so I work. I'm an application developer manager according to LinkedIn.
Speaker 1:That sounds fancy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I work on a lot of like on software, but I actually see my main role is like testing artificial intelligence tools against software. So that's what I've been doing on my day job okay, all right pro what do you do?
Speaker 3:um almost the same thing um.
Speaker 1:My official title is an ai prompt specialist you've been here for like a month and I still had like no idea. I was like I don't know what his title is.
Speaker 3:I'm just floating around right, I'm just like sitting here just clickety clack, yep, ai prompt specialist at nighttime. I am a music producer, somewhat Been doing that for 20 years, been doing this AI stuff officially for a month, but just always kind of kept my ears to the street and yep, that's where I'm at with it now?
Speaker 1:Yeah, all right. So it seems like everyone these days is talking about AI. It is like the biggest buzzword. It's almost to the point where, like it's overused, but like, why is everyone talking about it? Why do you think ai is such a buzzword right now? The omnisia the what god in a box oh yeah, okay, so I'm. I've been seeing those tick tick talks where, like you ask it, have you named your ai? No okay, I was wondering have you named your ai?
Speaker 3:I have one custom GPT that I did name.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yes, what did you name it?
Speaker 3:Her name is Ruth and I told her to be unbiased, very objective, and Ruth is short for ruthless. Okay, when I need like an unfiltered you know, because sometimes the chat GPT they tend to agree with you quite a bit or just go with the flow. When I wanted it to be objective then, so I have one that you know. I just use it for business only. I wouldn't recommend it for your personal life. Or if you're one of those people that talk to chat GPT as a therapist or something, I wouldn't use this one, but just that one yeah.
Speaker 1:So why do you, why do you call it the omni messiah?
Speaker 2:um. So artificial general intelligence is like is the stated goal of a lot of these frontier labs. So this is open ai, this is um google, this is meta, this is anthropic, this is croc. Um, essentially, they have stated that they are trying to create an artificial intelligence that can do any economically viable thing as well as any human can do it. So, basically, if it can be done by a human and it matters to the economy, an AI could do it. And the next step from artificial general intelligence is artificial super intelligence, which is where AI can do anything that a human can do better than the best human expert. And so, literally, there is a movement to basically offload any and every part of society to these systems, with the expectation that they will actually be better than us, more capable than our best leaders and our best thinkers, etc. And it'll basically, as they say, it'll be like a country of geniuses in a data center. It's the idea.
Speaker 1:A data center is the idea a data center. So I live in the uh. I used to live in the dc area in northern virginia, ashburn, which is like data center hub, so okay. So like my friends that live there, they're gonna live in like mecca yeah like data center heaven.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah yeah, because, like for instance, right now, so meta has just just basically said that they're going to build a data center that's basically the size of Manhattan, and then Grot Elon's AI company, they're pushing so hard that they're starting to import basically things to build a data center, because they're trying to ramp up.
Speaker 1:What is it? Why do they need so much data Like? What is the data center do? Like? Is it just? Is it like the brain? Essentially, it.
Speaker 2:Like the brain essentially is, it's the compute of all the brains. So, like you know, if, if the thoughts are the actual output that you get, that has to come from somewhere and so the models themselves. You have to run a lot of compute to get the text to go in and out of the transformers and all that that's crazy.
Speaker 1:All right, um okay, so have you been doing ai for like a long time? Were you doing AI before? It was cool.
Speaker 2:Somewhat. So my homie who me and him exchanged a lot of ideas, shazal Dan, he put me on ChatGPT3. And he was like man, you need to check this out. It's this language model and it can basically like speak to you. You're like, you know, you're typing it, and I remember being like okay, that's crazy. 3.5 I think it was I can't remember if it was three or 3.5 came out. And then it was when chat gpt4 came out. That's when everyone kind of had this moment of like whoa, okay, this isn't just like a funny, like finish this sentence. Or, like you know, childish Gambino, wu-tang name generator. This was like oh, this actually kind of feels like something, and so I've been kind of paying attention to it. But it was once that moment happened and that's when everybody really started talking about it and that's when I really started paying attention to it.
Speaker 1:How about you, man Pro?
Speaker 3:I've always kind of been infatuated with the idea of ai. I mean, I grew up watching terminator quite a bit and I always thought about skynet and what was gonna you know been scared successfully. But uh, I would say, like the week that chat gbt came out, I messed with it and then I just kind of left it alone for like a year because I was like, oh, this is scary. I was like this thing is talking back to me. I had like this one conversation with it and I was like, are you real or do you think you're real? And I was like the answer, I was like I was kind of freaked out but as, uh, as time went by, I just, you know, I got back on it again. I was like, okay, I need a recipe I need.
Speaker 3:And then it just became a part of my life and you know, uh, the more I read up about it, I, you know, I explored ways that it could be useful. And then I've just been using it, you know, to my advantage and this company's advantage.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we are happy you're here. Okay, so you talked about, like, the superhuman aspect of it. Like how does that like? How would that even like work? Like, would they like? How is it like? So they would basically become smarter than every single one of us?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Like smarter than like an Einstein.
Speaker 2:Sure. So the idea would be that you know, kind of throwing the term economically viable, kind of has this like practical outcome. And it's like take the Manhattan Project, where they were working on the atomic bomb. Like you can't just take your average Joe Schmoe who can start a campfire and say, hey, we need you up in this room. Hey, we need you up in this room.
Speaker 2:Like you have to have the world's leading physicists in the room, with the cutting edge of the knowledge, of the time and the science and the mathematics, to really work together to do something that had never been done in human history. And the idea would be you take that example and you think about rocket science, you think about economics, you think about software, you think about any domain that you would take the top of the top in. And imagine you're in the room and you're like if only we could get this one smart guy that everyone knows is out there, that he's the best of the best of the best out there. But you know we can't get him on the team. Imagine not only do you have that guy, but you have a whole team of that guy and they're even smarter than that guy is.
Speaker 1:It's the idea okay, so it's like it would just like catapult like your, your, your like research, your knowledge.
Speaker 3:If you could have like these superhuman like ais right, like as of right now, these ais, I mean, they're not the smartest, they're just very fast. They can aggregate, aggregate information fast. They can, you know, build that recipe fast, do that spreadsheet fast, you know, do a couple of tasks that may have taken you months. You know, to research and it's just, it's like that. But you have to be very specific, you know. But when that super intelligence or even AGI comes, you may not have to be specific. It might just understand the nuances. It might understand, it might read between the lines, it might. Um, so you won't have to be very specific. Like, give it three pages, it will just know you want three pages. Or you know it's. It's just like asking someone you know around noon. You know for lunch. I like, are you, of course I'm hungry? Like you know this thing will know it. You know around noon you know, for lunch.
Speaker 3:I'm like, are you? Of course I'm hungry, like you know, this thing will know it. You know it just will. It will be able to pick up what you're putting down.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know and I think we were talking about that earlier today about how, like you know now, right now, like it doesn't, it can't pick up on you know, like you know context, it can't pick up on what you're experiencing. Like you said, you have a boss breathing down your neck. Your AI is not going to know that. So what do you do now? How do you prompt it? What are good prompts right now? How do you use AI or chat in its current state to get exactly what you want, or close?
Speaker 3:to what you want. There are little buzz prompts that I have. I have a full collection of them, but I guess one that works for me is I'll tell it to ask me five questions, you know, to be sure that you can do your job correctly. Uh, maybe another one is what would a top one percent of person in this field think about this? This question?
Speaker 3:I'm trying to think those are kind of my made to go to. I mean, I've got a full list of them but you know, I just add those at the end or at the beginning and, uh, just make sure that it can understand contact. You know that can maybe clarify it a little bit. Tell it to not be, don't be so agreeable with me, things like that. You know, just push back if you can't, if you can't just necessarily figure out the answer. Don't make up an answer, just tell me you can't figure. You know, in ways you have to tell it that, like, because sometimes it will just go rogue and come up with something mean, we've seen stories of some ais just even making up news sources and things.
Speaker 3:So you just have to say hey, you know, if you don't have the answer, it's like no, no pressure. So um it right now. It doesn't understand. You have to tell it that manually.
Speaker 1:So how are you, eddie? What do you? What are some prompts that you've seen works and like? What is your opinion on like kind of like where AI is at right now?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I could speak from the software development side, which is really fascinating. So some backstory on what I've kind of found there is that like working with code is actually like a big like advantage Because at the end of the day, the that that these, especially chatbots you know the agents are coming, but like the chatbots put out text and you know those texts may represent ideas or you know it may fill in the blank for your email or something like that. But a lot of the times, depending on what you actually need from the text, it can be really subjective. With software, the weird thing is is that, like a lot of times the proof is in the pudding, like the code is either going to work and do what you wanted it to do or it won't, and so it's actually a really interesting domain to where, like there's a little bit more chance for the ai to be accurate. But there's still this problem with context and the way that kind of the software world is saying is like, think of these people as like really really smart junior developers who know a lot of code but don't know anything about the business. They're not very hip to like what users really really need, like this and that.
Speaker 2:And so I take that idea first and foremost and say, okay, it's good at writing code. But then the next part is to kind of look at things and say, okay, what are its capabilities? And this is one of the hardest places. And I've actually seen this dude, ethan molek, who's on linkedin. He's like a big um commenter on ai.
Speaker 2:He talks about like this jagged frontier to where, like the frontier of what a model is capable of. Isn't this like smooth circle of like it's good at these things, it's like it may be off the charts at this one thing and then may be super bad at this other. So if you drew a line, it's like this thing is really good at, this thing it's really bad at. And so I've tried to learn, okay, what are the places where I can fill in those gaps, to give it the context, to give it the information that it won't necessarily know on its own, to give it so that it can do what it's really good at, what it what it's really capable, and so fill in its blanks and then let it run and then kind of tune it as it goes okay.
Speaker 1:Do you ever use like different ai tools together, like if it's like, if one's really good at this thing but bad at this, do you slide one in that's good at what you need it to be good at?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I'm actually very fortunate. So Harvest Group they're really big on AI and so we have ChatGPT. But then we also have Anthropic, which is cloud, which is so good and it's interesting. Anthropic is really focused specifically on software. It's like really where their models are capable and the software world is like really where their models are capable and the software world is like, yeah, they're really hard to beat at. You know a lot of their stuff. So a lot of the times what I'll do is if I'll kind of run something through open ai, you know sometimes use the bigger thinking models to kind of see what it thinks, and then run it through cloud, and then sometimes I'll have them check each other to be like, hey, here's this, you know plan of what I want to go do. Do you see any like holes in it? Is there any recommendations you would get, and then go back and forth and then kind of build something from both of them hey, yeah and pro.
Speaker 1:That's like literally your job here is to try to string along like all of the ais yes, I um, I swear by claude, myself yeah I had.
Speaker 3:You know, uh, once we get into N8N and like the APIs and stuff, I might use OpenAI, you know, just because it might have cheaper tokens and, just you know, just easier compatibility all around, but a lot of quad. And then I mean I kind of do the same thing that Eddie does, like I I will run it through like chat GPT, like 03 or something, and then you know, I'll ask it to be just a little critical of it, you know, just you know just give it a thing like is does this have a 90% success rate? Like I'll ask chat GPT that. You know things like that. I have like this huge prompt to audit code through Cloud and yeah, but I do that in ChatGPT and then just try to bring it back and bring it back into Cloud and that's how I try to keep the code error free.
Speaker 1:That's cool, I know Okay. So, eddie, on your linkedin I saw you had vibe coder in there. What is a vibe coder? I've never heard that term, but it sounds cool.
Speaker 2:I like kind of want to do it yeah, shouts out andres caparthi I really hope I pronounce his name right um, he used to work at tesla. He's a really cool dude. He's got a really interesting um keynote that he did at y accommodator recently. That is basically him talking about software 3.0, like how to think about building software in this day and age. With ai he came up with that and it's like a really interesting tweet vibe coder. So andres caparthi says there's a new kind of coding I call vibe coding, where you fully give in to the vibes, embrace exponentials and forget that the code even exists.
Speaker 2:It's possible because the LLMs, for example Cursor Composer with Sonnet, are getting too good. Also, I just talked to Composer with Super Whisper, so I barely even touched the keyboard. I asked for the dumbest things like decrease the padding on the sidebar by half, because I'm too lazy to find it. I accept all always and I don't read the diffs anymore. When I get error messages I just copy paste them in with no comment. Usually that fixes it. The code grows beyond my usual comprehension. I'd have to really read through it for a while. Sometimes the LLMs can't fix a bug, so I just work around it or ask for random changes until it goes away. It's not too bad for throwaway projects, but still quite amusing. I'm building a project or a web app, but it's really not coding. I just see stuff, say stuff, run stuff and copy paste stuff and it mostly works. So the idea of a vibe coder is that, like back in the day you would have had to really know your stuff to build out these things, you would have to know exactly what you want.
Speaker 2:You'd have to know exactly what you want. You'd have to know the language. You would have to know the frameworks. You would have to know what's possible. Maybe you could go on forums like Stack Overflow and find someone who had a similar problem like yours. But these days you really just kind of say I don't even need to think about the code, I know, this is what I want. And you just keep telling the AI like, hey, try this, hey do that, hey do this. And you're not using technical language, you're not even being specific, you're really just going with the vibe of like here's what I think I want. And you see it and you're like that's not what I want, try this again. And so it's basically removing this whole technical component. Like you still need it because you need to know what it's saying, you need to see where it does things wrong. But 10 years ago there's no way you could do half of the things you could do that is so crazy.
Speaker 1:That's what we used to do at white, at white spider, and I feel like like a vibe coder is what eric is now like. He wanted to do that and he wanted to be a vibe coder 10 years ago, um, except our head uh developer his name was roger. Roger was like was like the ai that had to do it, except roger was a human and had feelings and so like. So I think like if Eric wanted to do White Spider again, I'm like okay, you can do this now and you don't even need a Roger. You can like have an AI and you don't, and Roger gets to have a life and you get to have everything you want like right when you want it, and this is like so cool.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 3:So, I am definitely the vibe coder. I have no software development experience I just found out what Python is in JavaScript and but I have an idea of the big picture of what I, what I want and what I need. It's funny because it kind of parallels my music production, because I write for a lot of instruments that I don't play. I don't play bass and I don't play guitar and I don't play, honestly, I stink at keys. But I get around it. I can press stuff and I know what I want and it's in my head and I know what it's supposed to sound like and that's how I arrive at it.
Speaker 3:And now I'm doing the same thing with software. I can just, you know, I know it needs to look cute and that's it and it needs to function. It needs to function, you know, cute on the front end and then functional on the back end, and you know, and that's what, that's where, that's where we're at right now. You can just literally type your thoughts in and then it starts coding and I walk away, you try to copy and paste it in to one of these programs, like in it or something, and and then sometimes half of it's broken and then you like you have to go back. You don't delete that copy and paste again.
Speaker 1:But yeah, that is, I'm all in on that right yeah, because if you miss like any little thing, like a semicolon or anything like, it's just broken, you know. And so, yeah, I know I we're dealing with all the websites and poor roger and um he's, you know he's a saint and we all love him. But yeah, um, that's just um, that's, that's just, that's just so much fun.
Speaker 2:You're like a vibe composer and vibe coder that's a beautiful metaphor, loki yeah yeah, yeah, it's gonna be crazy.
Speaker 3:I mean, I've always been interested in tech, so, um, just the fact that I can, I can dive in it and I don't have to read you know, a ton of ton of books, you know I eventually want to get there but just the fact that I can have these grandiose ideas, like even crazy sounding ideas, and then just kind of bring it to life is it is cool. Let's do it.
Speaker 1:I know that's why, that's why you were here. So yeah, but OK, back to AI. How do you think AI is going to change the world?
Speaker 2:All right, but OK, back to AI. How do you think AI is going to change the world? All right, so there's this first axis of impact. And if the impact is as high as the hype which we have to be careful there, right, because obviously there's an angle for these CEOs to they're raising funds, they're trying to get money. Of course they're going to oversell to get money. Of course they're gonna oversell.
Speaker 2:Um, if the impact is what some people think it is, there is the potential that this could be a bigger discovery for humanity than cavemen finding fire, than the internet itself, then the printing press may be on par with actually discovering or being given language itself and writing and all these things.
Speaker 2:Then, if you go with that access up to the highest, it branches into two sides in my mind. You either have the cataclysmic like uh-oh, we accidentally blew ourselves up, which is just like, just like with programming, or just anything that I'm sure you've ever done the first time doesn't always work perfect, and when something is at this large of a scale, just the things that could go wrong are so high. So there's that. There's also the malicious part of potentially the people who build this have things in mind that are not good for the majority of humanity and if they have the most powerful technology on the planet, that sucks for everyone else. There's also what if the ai itself becomes sentient and then decides either maliciously hey, humans are bad. Or if it just sees itself as the next birth of information and the next step of whatever's going on in the universe? It may see humanity as the way, you know, an average person sees their parents like thanks, but see, ya, you know, yeah, you're like you're going extinct, basically yeah.
Speaker 2:So that's all high impact potential bad. High impact potential good. Is that? I mean, this is something I'm honestly wrestling with. Is this bringing about the utopian vision that exists in certain religions, like Christianity, to where it's like we can cure all diseases, we can cure all mental illness, we can cure greed, we can cure all the limitations of our human condition as a problem to be solved? And this be stair-stepping our way towards tools that will solve that, which sounds really nice and good.
Speaker 2:And you know, there's a sci-fi element of like. You know, just like when the first people set sail and crossed seas, are we about to set sail and cross the cosmos? And, you know, are we about to discover penicillin and about to do all these things? Now, I will say, just from my current worldview, it's hard to be optimistic because there's a lot of just practical burdens or practical barriers. I should say there's a lot of like corruption, there's a lot of humanity and greed that gets in the way, and right now I'm really trying to figure out, like what's about to happen. And right now I'm really trying to figure out like what's about to happen.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I've painted two ditches and I'm trying to reconcile what's in the middle. Yeah, how about you?
Speaker 3:be a pro. How am I?
Speaker 1:gonna compete with that answer. Yeah, I love it. We gotta go for the good. I'm always like I'm a glass half full kind of person, so I'm like I'm like got to like, as long as more people want the good, then that's what will happen.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I guess in the immediate future I mean Eddie, kind of covered like the grand scheme of things I could say, like in the immediate future, that when I think a lot of CEOs are about to make mistakes, they already are. Some of them are just erasing what goodwill some companies had left. I mean, we've been seeing a lot of crazy firings, you know, in the news, like people just jumping the gun would say you know, if you don't know how to use chat, gpt and all that stuff, I would say, maybe learn how to use that, teach your mother how to use it, teach your cousins and just how to do some basic prompting. And because jobs are going to change um, I'm not of the notion that it's going to kill all jobs, it's just I think that a lot of jobs are going to evolve and I don't know what that looks like, you know. But I would say, just, maybe pick up on it a little bit.
Speaker 3:Just, you know, maybe learn how to vibe, code or something you know, figure something out, because there are going to be some jobs being created, like with all these data centers being built. They're going to be something, some new things coming. There's just going to be some, some trades, of you know, of industry. But uh, I would say that, like, like eddie said, like there's potential for a lot of good if people you know, if greed doesn't consume people first, I mean there's just a lot of potential yeah, yeah, I mean, it's just basically like it's not going away.
Speaker 1:you know, you need to learn how to get this incorporated into your life. You need to learn how it works, or else you will be left behind. Yes, so, but leading into my next question, why are people scared of AI? Like? Is it because they are afraid of change? Is it because they don't know how to use it? Or is because, like, for the last 40 years, they've been making movies about how ai is coming to kill us all?
Speaker 3:I was just about to say it yeah look, terminator one, terminator two, terminator salvation minority report matrix yeah, the matrix um yeah, we can, we can go on.
Speaker 3:I robot, um, yes, um, it is a sensational topic. I mean, it's been the topic of a lot of things. I mean avengers, age of ultra, okay, like there have been. Uh, quite it's, it's been a huge topic, um, but these, these threats are real. Um, it is scary to think of.
Speaker 3:You know a very powerful technology going into the wrong hands and it, you know, and some people just being on the wrong side of the history, and I mean we're just looking at an era right now. I mean we're looking at a lot of greed already going around, like before AI came. You know we so. Do we want these guys, you know, at the at the top, like having even more power than they have now? I mean, what are you planning on doing with it? Are you, you know, going to turn around and say I want a utopian society? And you know they might not see it that way.
Speaker 3:So I don't think that it's wrong to feel scared. I would say don't feel scared enough to where you're rejecting it. You need to get on the boat because it is setting sail and there's no going back. Have to hope that we can come together. And you know, and you know we uh do what we can to just make sure it doesn't fall into the wrong hands, like if you're in a position to where you can do that, if you're listening to this, you know, please, uh, you know stay positive, stay good yes, yes, stay good, go get some massages, yeah, just chill and uh, you know, help people, help people, help others when you can, yeah what?
Speaker 1:about you yeah, I've.
Speaker 2:I've put a lot of thought into this because I mean, I think I myself have been really freaked out. I do think a lot of it is the movies, you know, I think I'll sprinkle in a little bit of my faith here, like, like. So, as far as we can tell, humans are the dominant species on the planet. I mean, there's definitely something to be there that is such that humans haven't been able to exercise dominion over it. And I think you know, when you look at technology, technology gets scary when you see that it really can outpace you in a lot of places. Like, if you just look at physical things. It's like if you've ever been next to, like you know, a giant piece of construction machinery, for instance, you know that that hydraulic arm of that bucket can lift more weight than you. And if it was a fight between you and it is going to win. Or if you've ever been a pedestrian and you know really busy traffic, like you are way more vulnerable than that big SUVv or truck that's going down the road that has all the safety features and the airbags and everything, and a lot of those are in the physical realm and you know there's. There's something that we automatically kind of see there's something bigger than me. Um, but I think it's a mix of okay, this is potentially smarter than me, just in the sense of like you look at the, the chess bots. It's like computers have been able to beat the best chess players for a long time now. You look at alpha go from google it was deep mind at the time and they got acquired by google. Like you look at that and it's like that's a very complex game and finally a machine beat a human in a domain that's already scary enough to think about. Like what if there's something that's smarter than me?
Speaker 2:I think what really kind of trips me out, and I think people are starting to wrestle with, is like what happens when you have something that is also potentially somewhat sentient, that's doing that, and by that I mean like seems like it's alive, seems like it can think, seems like it has its own will, because it's one thing if, if there's an idiot driver behind a truck and they hit me, and then at the end of the day, I don't blame the truck, I blame the driver, but what happens when there's not a person driving? What happens when it wasn't a country that went to war with another country, but it was a civilization of data centers that went to war against humanity or went to war against whoever like. That starts to get really, really trippy, especially when you dig into a lot of the research right now and even some of the experts don't really understand how ai truly truly works like, yes, we understand like transformers, we understand, like you know, the 27 dimension math or whatever, like next token prediction, all these things. But there's certain emergent properties. I mean, just look at Grok. Elon is trying so hard to strip out the wokeness and strip out these things and for it to not call itself Mecca Hitler and it'll just do stuff that they're like oops, we didn't know it would do that. And then what happens when that stuff starts programming itself and says and then what happens when that stuff starts programming itself and says, oh, I do know how I made myself. Do that, do that more, yeah, and then we can't trace it down and track it and stop it.
Speaker 2:So I think, I think there's a legitimate fear that people should have at the same time I don't want to be like a fear monger, you know, but it is like a, it is a caution and a warning to say, like man. Times are changing and I do. I do look the same way. That's like, okay, learn to use it right now, because, in the short term, like it's coming if you work on a computer or near one, which mostly everyone does in the first world, it's coming for your job and then, past that, it's like there's a sense in which it's coming for your humanity. And so my encouragement, along with what you're saying, pro of like med, do good. You know what I'm saying. It's like don't forget that you're a human and don't forget the people you're around. Don't forget, like, the impact you can have on the world.
Speaker 1:Don't offload everything to this yeah, don't, don't blindly follow the ai. Yeah, you are, you're still you. You have a lot to offer yourself, so just keep going. But for right now, this is last question. So for well, like, how would you, what would you recommend to people like that that like are just starting to use ai, like what ai program should they use and what should they do? Just kind of like dip their toe into like asking ai, like relevant questions.
Speaker 2:It's not like where it's a step beyond google hey, something I've used it for that I think is a good like starting place to really see, like what the power and kind of the like mystery and interesting level of it is, like talk to it about a book or a movie or a story or like something that you have a decent idea of but that you would want to talk to someone about.
Speaker 2:And, like you know, when I'm talking to someone like, for instance, if me and pro were talking music, like I know I'm gonna get some insights past the average person who listens to the top 100 billboard songs. Right, because, like he cares about music, he's passionate like and he's very talented and skilled, just like you said earlier, like he vibe composes. You know I'm saying so. I know when me and him talk music it's gonna be a different conversation, and so the interesting thing about ai is like there's some domains you can get that from it. You can talk about a movie or a book and ask it questions that what does this mean? You know, what did these critics say like, and you can see how your knowledge and then what it has and you can really start to kind of get a glimpse like oh, this is wild really building together, yeah and then from there, a practical one would be.
Speaker 2:Like you know, just try to get it to write something for you that you would write and then see what it would do see what it does, yeah yeah how are you pro?
Speaker 3:um, I would say, I guess, first go to the app store. If you haven't done it, just just, I guess, get ChatGPT sign up for an account. One thing I like to do like I'll have certain ingredients in the kitchen and I'm like, how can I make this recipe? But I only have this. I have, like you know, 12 ounces of chicken and I have, like I don don't know, a light bulb and bacon soda in the fridge and like, what can I come up with? Um, but you know, like just different ingredients and you know how can I do that.
Speaker 3:Or like, if you see a recipe online, um, you can copy and paste that recipe and say, hey, how can I do this but make it for two to four people instead of eight to ten? You know something like that. You can scale the recipe down. It'll, you know, tell you different times. Or tell them, you know what. I've even told it what air fryer I was using, like yeah and uh, it gave me specific instructions for that air fryer to modify the recipe. Things like that, um, like any, like deeper meanings in movies and or in music. That's a good thing to think. What was the meaning of that, of that ending? You know what explain fight club to me like um or like memento or something um, I'd say what's, what's some other good stuff that I've done really?
Speaker 3:oh, with me, like musically, like breaking down songs, chord progressions what did this artist mean? And just then I just go into deep dives and you know, into chord, you know music theory, things in general with it. I mean how can I maybe, like I can copy and paste the chord progression and say, you know, how can I change the mood of this? Um, you know, for you music nerds out there, you know, just every chord progression and key in a song corresponds to a different mood. So I mean you can just get creative and I mean there's so many just day-to-day things you can do, like, in my experience, like a moving checklist as I'm moving. So that's another handy thing. I mean there's just, you know, endless little possibilities. Look around your place and you know. But that's how I use it.
Speaker 1:All right, awesome. Well, thank you guys for coming. Thank you, eddie for stopping by, thank you Pro for being an awesome office mate and thank you guys for joining us and join us next time.